Comment of the week comes from last week’s comment of the week thread. How about that. It’s from someone named Ben David. The comment was agreeing with me about the deviant nature of homosexuality and how it was pushed by activists and liberal media. But I have a few issues with what he had to say.
But ALL this came AFTER the HETEROsexual majority threw over Judeo-Christian sexual morality and agreed to view themselves as hairless chimpanzees. The hetero public accepted the “born that way” myth and the self-declared victimhood/entitlement because they had already accepted pseudo-scientific excuses to embrace their own “natural” sexual desires, and legitimate progress on civil rights issues had been subverted into a discourse about victimhood and entitlement.
Hmmm … what is this Judeo-Christian construct of which he speaks?
(Similarly, the alt-right perpetuates the Leftie frame of racial discourse, instead of re-asserting the Judeo-Christian humanism on which free democracies are based.)
Oh, it’s a “humanism”. And all our democracies are based upon it. How curious.
This is a complete falsehood. As Vox Day states, the term “Judeo-Christian” makes about as much sense as “Islamo-Christianity”:
Anyone who is using the term “Judeo-Christian” is referencing, consciously or not, left-wing anti-Christian agitprop. There are no historical “Judeo-Christian” values; to the extent there is overlap they are Christian values.
Note that “Judeo-Christian” in its post-1940s revisionist usage is a part of the same program as the 1965 Hart-Celler Act. It was adopted specifically to redefine America and destroy the historical fact of America having been founded as a de facto Christian nation.
Ben David rails against liberal agitators while falling for one of their most devious bits of propaganda, (although with a name like that perhaps I am being far too generous).
The false construct of “Judeo-Christian” really took off after WWII for reasons which should be clear to anyone with an iota of historical knowledge. As Day states, it is a complete 20th century fraud. The following graph of mentions from books in the 20th century of the terms “Judeo-Christian civilization”, “Christian civilization”, and “Muslim civilization” is very illuminating.
Enough with this lie of so-called “Judeo-Christian” values. It is Christian values and that is all it has ever been. Do not fall for the biggest liberal prog deception of all time.
I haven’t finished with Ben’s comment though. He also had this to say:
From this perspective I take a rather dim view of Game as an instrument of cultural redemption. It may save innocent young men from financial and emotional ruin, but the alternate language it offers perpetuates the Leftie value framework in which humans are defined by their baser instincts.
Firstly, great powers can be used for good and evil. Game is an absolute necessity for men to be able to navigate the treacherous waters of female relationships. The fact that it can also be used by cads does not negate its value.
And lastly, humans are defined by their baser instincts. The alt-right deals in reality, not pretty lies or devious falsehoods. And the great bulwark that our Western civilization has historically used to counter man’s baser instincts has been the core Western pillar of Christianity. Not “Judeo-Christianity” mind you. Christianity. At this time of the year in particular it would behoove us to remember that.
Yup. The Jewish influence on western civilisation was enormous but it was all channelled through Christianity.
If we were to start listing precursor influences on religions would we start saying Zoroastrian-Jewish or Judeo-Christian-Islam? Or even Zoroastrian-Judeo-Greek-pagan-Christian-Islam?
When God gave the law to the Old Testament prophets, and worked his will through his chosen people, the Jews… Were the values throughout Jewish values or Christian values?
Considering that Jesus was the fulfilment of Jewish religious law and the promised messiah of the Jews, and the prophet Paul stated that the Christian hope for the kingdom of God on earth was the hope of Israel, i think the term Judeo-Christian has some value.
You can’t separate Christianity from the Jews I’m afraid, although they rejected Christ he has not rejected them.
“You can’t separate Christianity from the Jews I’m afraid”: of course not. But you’ve not engaged with my point: apart from the Jewish heretic Spinoza, the Jews had virtually no effect on Western Civilisation until the late 19th century except for their influence via Christianity.
It’s true that Jews were excluded from western society until more recent times, but that isn’t an argument against the term judeo-christian values. Its irrelevant what jewish values are like after Christ, or what contribution they made to society up until the 20th Century (mostly as firewood apparently, especially in Spain in the middle ages). I wouldn’t call Judeism a precurser religion either. The law and the prophets (Judeism before Christ) are part of the same religion in reality. It is the same God, who demanded he be worshipped in one way until Christ came, and then in another thereafter.… Read more »
You’re utterly wrong. Western civilization evolved with three core pillars underlining its success – The Greco-Roman legacy, Germanic customs, and Christianity. Together they contributed to the European miracle; its genesis beginning with the crowning of Charlemagne as Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. Its apex was arguably the 19th century but we are still enjoying and living with the benefits of this great civilization undertaking even today. The Jews lived within this confluence of factors but also apart. They had and kept their own ancient customs, traditions, histories, and religion. The fact that Christianity and Judaism share a common ancient… Read more »
I agree. Adam is forgetting about the Holy Trinity. The father, the son (Jesus) and the holy ghost/spirit. The fact is that Jews and Christians agree on two of these and, as Meatloaf said, ‘two out of three ain’t bad’.
”Judeo-Christian culture” has always been an academic construct, and that from academics too lazy to actually examine the two religions as they should. The ”Judeo-” part of the equation refers to the Old Testament, with it’s laws, summarized in the Ten Commandments. But the truth is that only a narrow minority of Jews today actually believe the OT. They are the ”Torah” Jews and a minority. The Old Testament is believed and accepted as canon by Christians, as it is the foundation of Christ’s teachings. He quoted extensively from it, and constantly referred people back to it. He also bitterly… Read more »
There are Christians who don’t believe in the doctrine of the trinity. Technically i suppose you could say that they don’t worship the same god as Catholics, but you would be stretching i think to say that Abraham didn’t worship the same God as Christians… I guess he doesn’t get to go to Heaven, it’s the hot place for him, too bad.
I would love to see someone use the term Judeo-Islamic values to a Muslim. After all both religions recognize Abraham as holding a very special place in their religion.
I saw someone use the term Judeo-Christian on Twitter a while ago and I thought it was nice. I thought we were pretty similar in our cultural values. I had no idea. It would appear that Jews are evolutionary bred to look after their own. I’ve been reading a thing or two about Judaism and still feel fairly unsure of things. I wanted to summarise the important thoughts (although a bit off topic I am afraid). It appears that the intellectual Jews in powerful and strategic positions in America (a very small and secretive group – think Rothschild, etc…) are… Read more »
I was hiding in a cupboard at one of the recent meetings of Jewish Conspiracy Incorporated and can confirm that all your fears are correct.
Ha ha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFo6kmMZr3s
Well if they are, they are doing it to the Israelis also. Israel has allowed mass migration of Jews to settle in Israel thinking all Jews should be the same. Much to their chagrin they are finding out that the background culture of the newer immigrants matters, a lot. Lo and behold, even the Magic Dirt of Israel doesn’t work.
Plus the left seem to love the Palestinians so they didn’t think that one through. Lots of things going awry. I would love to know the truth of it all.
interesting
My initial thoughts are two separate things might be being conflated: 1) the relationship between the old testament Jews as chosen people and the new testament post resurrection/Pentecost church as the continuity of the same; and 2) the value of the term “Judeo -Christian values” as a sociological label for western civilisation. I was about to send my views and realised there was a contradiction I need to think through. I am sure an evenings reflection will be useful.
Thanks for addressing my comment so thoroughly! I thought the piece I had posted too was already off the front page. To begin: 1. I am an politically conservative orthodox Jew in my 50s who grew up in New Yawk City in the 60s-70s-80s and (thus had a ringside seat to the first-wave feminism and gay rights garbage I described in my post.) 2. The rest of this excludes the positions and activities of the “Marxists of Jewish Descent” from this discussion. Although they are the most visible – and politically active – members of the tribe, they are deeply… Read more »
Sorry for typos –
I meant that Game is at best a distraction…
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