The special Christian sodomite club.

Over at Sigmaframe there is an article up concerning how The Church should best deal with homosexuals who identify as Christians. The article, Can Christians be Gay, is best exemplified by its conclusions. Bold emphasis is mine.

Homosexuality is one of the main challenges faced by most churches these days. In response to this crisis, many pastors are following the cultural trend by pressing all the members of their congregation to accept and interact with gays. There are two problems with this approach.

  1. Many straight Christians simply have very little sympathy for either the gay lifestyle, or the struggles of being a gay Christian, and for many of the faithful, no amount of preaching is going to change this. The result is that gays feel condemned by the annoyance of Christians, and do not experience Christ through their interactions with Christians.

  2. Many straight Christians simply do not have a need to interact with gays. Expecting them to do so, purportedly to become more “loving“, is actually detrimental and burdensome to the spiritual vitality of both straight and gay individuals.

In other words, those pesky Christians who hold to the word of God are most tiresome indeed for all those gays who just want to be loved by everybody. Not only that but gays’ spiritual vitality will be weakened by having to even interact with those pesky straights. Just what is to be done?

There are two things that the Church can do to improve their work for Christ, concerning homosexuals.

  1. The Church’s interaction with the gay community should be the sole responsibility of Christians in the church who were formerly gay. Straight Christians will surely bumble the PR, and cause the name of Christ to be blasphemed among the LGBT crowd.
  2. Based on 2nd Corinthians 1:3-7, the task of ministering to gays should be left to the discretion of those reformed gay Christians within the church.

Following the last point, repentant gay Christians would be best qualified to administer an appropriate hermeneutical interpretation of scripture to other gays under their mentorship. Even so, any “reinterpretation” of scripture should not be comprehensively different from the Gospel of Christ.

Apparently nobody gets the gays except for those experienced with being gay. It’s such a unique and special sin that all the rest of humanity is simply unequipped to deal with such a delicate matter.

This nonsense is subtle propaganda pushed by the homo bloc. They’re not really sinners like those other sinners; they’re special people deserving of special treatment.

Well, they’re not and this is complete rubbish. To best answer the oh so pressing and difficult problem of the homos amongst us, I shall simply re-post the above screed but I shall substitute the sin of being a homosexual fornicator with some other sin. Let’s see how it reads, shall we.

There are two things that the Church can do to improve their work for Christ, concerning rapists.

  1. The Church’s interaction with the rape community should be the sole responsibility of Christians in the church who were formerly rapists. Straight Christians will surely bumble the PR, and cause the name of Christ to be blasphemed among the rapist crowd.
  2. Based on 2nd Corinthians 1:3-7, the task of ministering to rapists should be left to the discretion of those reformed rapist Christians within the church.

Following the last point, repentant rapist Christians would be best qualified to administer an appropriate hermeneutical interpretation of scripture to other rapists under their mentorship. Even so, any “reinterpretation” of scripture should not be comprehensively different from the Gospel of Christ.

Feel free to substitute other well known sins. Murderers would be a good one, as well as thieves, adulterers, blasphemers, and you get the picture.

The complete ludicrousness of worrying about “PR” in such a situation becomes readily apparent after the substitution. As bad as this is it doesn’t even come close to what is being pushed in the name of the Christian homos in other parts of the world.

Allberry and Butterfield argue that gays deserve access to our children because intimacy with our children is the reward Jesus promised them for following Him, to make up for the intimacy they are giving up by leaving the gay lifestyle. Back in 2015 Chandler laid the foundation for this as well. He says that gay Christians are special because by giving up the gay lifestyle they have given up more than the rest of us

Homosexuals are not special; they are fallen. If they repent, accept salvation, and cast off their sins then they shall be welcomed back into His house. But they do not get welcomed back under their own special conditions. And they most certainly do not deserve any special treatment due to their prior sinful nature.

To understand how perverse this attitude is, just contemplate that all an individual has to do to suddenly receive special treatment above other Christians in the eyes of God is to declare himself a sodomite. By such an act he is suddenly special. Nobody else in The Church can possibly relate to him unless they themselves were also a member of the special sodomite club in the past. Perhaps they should also get to sit in the special pews up the front with all of the other ex-sodomites, or not so ex-sodomites but heh, we can’t be judgemental because we’re Christians and we need to suck this up, right?

Sooner or later a stand has to be made. This one is as bad as any.

 

 

18 thoughts on “The special Christian sodomite club.

  1. Adam, as you pointed out, the approach of solving conflicts by establishing social boundaries could be applied to people with many other types of problems. Ex cons are better suited to witness to criminals. Recovered alcoholics are better able to deal with drunkards. Basically, I am arguing for segregation as a workable solution, as opposed to the integration now being expected of most people, including Christians. Yes, it’s controversial and anti PC to say such things, but establishing segregation is still a wise approach.
    BTW, labeling gays “special people” is adopting their own viewpoint, and using this label, even mockingly, still avoids the problem.

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    1. Sorry Jack but this approach is completely flawed as Dalrock has also pointed out in the comments. You do not solve the current homo invasion of the Church, (it’s not integration; you don’t integrate sinners), by providing them with special treatment. This merely serves to give them credibility where none whatsoever should exist.

      You’re the one avoiding the problem here, not me. Don’t project. I’m tackling this head on as I have done for some time.

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  2. JohnR

    There are obvious NT scriptures which condemn homosexuality, eg.: Rom 1:27; 1 Co 6:9-11 which validate the raft of OT scriptures which had already made God’s judgment apparent. Homosexuality is plain wrong.

    However, the Christian needs not judge. He accepts that God’s judgment is right, and acts accordingly, whatever his personal opinion.

    Think of it as the officers of the court following through on the court’s judgment.
    The officers are not judges, but must accept and promulgate the dictates of their Judge and Country.
    Christians likewise accept and promulgate the dictates of their God and his Kingdom.

    Furthermore, the Christian is especially required to render God’s righteous judgement within the congregation.

    (1 Corinthians 5:12, 13) . . . Do you not judge those inside, while God judges those outside? “Remove the wicked person from among yourselves.”

    (John 7:24) . . . judge with righteous (ie. God’s) judgment.”

    (1 Corinthians 6:3) Do you not know that we will judge angels? Then why not matters of this life?

    And those apostates who don’t accept God’s view? They’ve been around since the first century:

    (Romans 1:32) Although these (men who suppress the truth) know full well the righteous decree of God—that those practicing such things are deserving of death—they not only keep on doing them but also approve of those practicing them.

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  3. Mr Black

    I would have a much more simple and humane response. If you are gay you are absolutely forbidden from setting foot in a church. You are not part of anything and you are not welcome.

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  4. I grew up in the church and i don’t remember any hatred of gays. I also remember a very simple rule. You could be as gay as you wanted, but you couldn’t have sex with members of the same sex. Done. You were forgiven, you were Christian, you were going to heaven (assuming you made the same effort in other areas of your life, of course). There was no condemnation of homosexual inclinations, just of behavior. You weren’t even expected to marry a woman and have children, just stay celibate and single. Not easy, but then again, not committing lots of sins isn’t easy, otherwise we’d all be perfect.

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  5. TechieDude

    It’s never enough, is it?

    They never had a more powerful argument than “What goes on in my bedroom is no one’s business but mine.” Now, they seek approval an “understanding” in every corner of life.

    Homos have caused immeasurable harm to my Church. The teaching of my Church are that we are to treat homos with the respect we’d give anyone else, and be cognizant of the difficult path they are on. But as Heresolong states, it’s the act itself, not the who they are, that makes them sinners.

    You know, Jesus didn’t say “You’re fabulous the way you are!” he said “go forth and sin no more”

    I don’t care about their struggles. I have a few acquaintances in Church that are clearly gay, and quite frankly, are an irritation. I’m sure there’s a spiritual work of mercy in there somewhere.

    But in this day and age, why would you socialize with these people?

    It’s all fun and games until they turn the social justice pack on you or diddle your kid.

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  6. @Adam

    This nonsense is subtle propaganda pushed by the homo bloc. They’re not really sinners like those other sinners; they’re special people deserving of special treatment.

    This is it. The goal is to remove the taboo associated with homosexuality and replace the stigma with an exalted position for gay Christians. The most subtle version of this is the push to compensate gays for giving up the gay lifestyle by giving them trusted access to our children. Gay Christians deserve something special, we are told, because they are giving up more than the rest of us to follow Christ. This is an inversion of the Christian view of sin and repentance. But there is a more overt form of this, a claim that gayness is a special gift, a perspective that God uses to teach the rest of us.

    In Revoice Nate Collins asked:

    Is it possible that gay people today are being sent by God, like Jeremiah, to find God’s words for the church, to eat them and make them our own? To shed light on contemporary false teachings and even idolatries, not just the false teaching of the progressive sexual ethic, but other more subtle forms of false teaching? Is it possible that gender and sexual minorities who have lived lives of costly obedience are themselves a prophetic call to the church to abandon idolatrous attitudes toward the nuclear family, toward sexual pleasure? If so, we are prophets.

    Similarly, in his book Single Gay Christian Gregory Coles asks:

    Is it too dangerous, too unorthodox, to believe that I am uniquely designed to reflect the glory of God? That my orientation, before the fall, was meant to be a gift in appreciating the beauty of my own sex as I celebrated the friendship of the opposite sex? That perhaps within God’s flawless original design there might have been eunuchs, people called to lives of holy singleness?

    We in the church recoil from the word gay, from the very notion of same-sex orientation, because we know what it looks like only outside of Eden, where everything has gone wrong. But what if there’s goodness hiding within the ruins? What if the calling to gay Christian celibacy is more than just a failure of straightness? What if God dreamed it for me, wove it into the fabric of my being as he knit be together and sang life into me? (pp. 46-47)

    Sources of quotes:
    https://albertmohler.com/2018/08/02/torn-two-cultures-revoice-lgbt-identity-biblical-christianity/
    http://www.dennyburk.com/book-review-of-single-gay-christian/

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  7. On Dalrock’s blog I tried to troll a commenter by suggesting that the best way for the Church to reach out to the homosexual community is by offering treatment and an eventual cure for homosexual tendencies. The idea that sodomy is not an inevitable lifestyle is so badly received among the rainbow freaks that in California, they’ve outlawed efforts to do so.

    Sodomites can join the Church on the same basis as anybody else: confession, repentance and shunning their former ways of life.

    @Jack,
    “Adam, as you pointed out, the approach of solving conflicts by establishing social boundaries could be applied to people with many other types of problems. Ex cons are better suited to witness to criminals. Recovered alcoholics are better able to deal with drunkards.”

    No. It’s one thing for repentant Christians to connect with people of a shared culture (prison) but another to connect with people of a shared vice (alcohol, sex). That re-exposes you to the temptations that brought you down once and can do so again.

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  8. Dave

    Heh, seems like the only “non-deserving, non-special” group out there are white western men, whom are viewed as sinners by all others when they even hint at the possibility of asking for any form of consideration.

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  10. Post Alley Crackpot

    The so-called “identity wars” in the Western world are really about special privileges …

    Pay no heed to the fact that the people often wanting these special privileges are more boring than dirt once you’ve scraped away all of the special privilege patina and veneer.

    In fact, the things that “qualify” them for special privileges are paradoxically both the most interesting things and the least interesting things about these people.

    My general attitude about some boring person telling me up front about these special identity things is that I don’t care to know even that much about these people’s lives, and if these people actually cared about my particular needs in a conversation, they’d stay completely quiet about this rubbish.

    “I’m an accountant” was recently actually a reasonable entry point to a surprisingly better-than-average conversation with someone I wasn’t predisposed to like, but “I’m a sodomite who takes metric tonnes of caulk up the backside” is for me never, ever worth a discussion.

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    The Fellowship has Official Observer status with the World Council of Churches. The MCC has been denied membership in the US National Council of Churches,[2] but many local MCC congregations are members of local ecumenical partnerships around the world and MCC currently belongs to several statewide councils of churches in the United States.[3][4]

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  13. BLBeamer

    I expect all kinds of flack for this opinion, but this insight has helped me a lot when confronting the gays, fornicators and drug users the Church tries to cater to these days.

    The Christian doctrine of election for me answers this issue. In layman’s terms: people don’t choose to become Christians, God chooses those who will become Christians (whoever and wherever they may be). The capability for believing is wholly outside Man’s natural abilities, so God must provide the grace required to believe and be saved. In other words, God elects those on whom He will have mercy, and Christ died for them and only them. Everybody else (whoever they are) are just fooling themselves.

    1 Cor. 6:9 is as clear as crystal. All these folks who try to bicker and argue and twist words around in order to accept gays and lesbians as fellow Christians despite their refusal to repent of their sinful behavior are deluded.

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