Adam Piggott

Gentleman adventurer

Disempowering the priesthood.

The priesthood is one of the three sacred holy orders of the Catholic Church. On average they study for eight years to be eligible to receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders. Study does not just include scholastic pursuits but also human, social, spiritual and pastoral formation.

The Catholic Church teaches that when a man participates in priesthood, he participates in the priesthood of Christ Himself. All men who, through the Sacrament of Holy Orders, have become priests participate in Christ’s priesthood; they act in persona Christi Capitis, in the person of Christ, the Head of His Body, the Church.

This is as it should be because a priest must administer to his parish. A part of his vocation is to help guide lost souls to salvation, so no matter what the person has done, or seen, or experienced, the priest has the knowledge and skills and wisdom to be able to help them.

Unless of course the sinner is a homosexual.

Jack from Sigmaframe responded to my criticism of his article with the following comment:

Adam, as you pointed out, the approach of solving conflicts by establishing social boundaries could be applied to people with many other types of problems. Ex cons are better suited to witness to criminals. Recovered alcoholics are better able to deal with drunkards. Basically, I am arguing for segregation as a workable solution, as opposed to the integration now being expected of most people, including Christians. Yes, it’s controversial and anti PC to say such things, but establishing segregation is still a wise approach.
BTW, labeling gays “special people” is adopting their own viewpoint, and using this label, even mockingly, still avoids the problem.

To be fair to Jack he is attempting to find a workable solution to the current problem of homosexuals in the church parishes. But like all moderates, his attempt to find common ground with the enemy is entirely self-defeating. Not only that, it is incredibly destructive.

Jack’s approach would completely disempower the vocation of the priesthood. By declaring that they are unable or even unworthy of administering to gays, this opens the door to all sorts of other special interest groups to seek similar special treatment and to be administered “by their own”. Far from being anti-PC to suggest an idea such as this, it is entirely PC as it greatly helps to push forward the left’s agenda.

I could not think of a more devastating tactic to undermine the priesthood and the Catholic Church itself than this. Even allowing women as priests would not be as destructive. This approach would cause the priesthood to completely unravel like a ball of string until there was nothing left.

The approach to seek common ground with the left, to form some sort of understanding so that we can all go along to get along, is the same failed approach that conservatives have been making for the past 50 years. The act of seeking common ground first gives credibility to our enemies’ tactics; but ultimately it allows them to infiltrate and subvert and destroy our institutions from within.

Homosexuals who are attempting to infiltrate the Church do not arrive at the front door with swords drawn and teeth bared. They come with sorrowful expressions of pain and hurt as they plead with us to just accommodate them so all will be well in their world. Simple Christians struggle with this as they want to be seen as charitable but it is not charitable to let unrepentant sinners in your front door; it is suicidal.

To be a strong Christian is to stand firm before our enemies. Standing firm is also the core of the new nationalist right. We do not care what you think of us. We will not seek common ground because we have nothing in common with our enemies. There will be no accommodation. There will be no attempt at understanding or coexistence. We have seen what such an attitude has wrought and where it has brought us. We have learned the lessons of 50 years of losing and we will not repeat the same mistakes.

If Christians and those on the right want clarity in these confusing times then that is all you need right there. Draw your battle lines and take pride in fighting for what you supposedly believe in.

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11 Comments

  1. Al Jahom

    Hi Adam,

    How do you reconcile your points with the observable reality that, in the 20th century at least, in Ireland certainly and I suspect elsewhere, becoming a priest was basically what gay men did, in the absence of legal and social acceptance of their homosexuality?

    Perhaps it’s a case of QED. Perhaps it could be argued that the gay priests led to the paedo priests. Not that lessons have been learned.

    I’m not trying to be antagonistic… I just really struggle with the contradictions that form the divide between Christian theology and its practice and consequences.

    There’s a large part of me that wants to convert to catholicism, partly in recognition of my father’s heritage, but I really struggle with the catholic history of Ireland, and how the observance of the religion manifested itself, to say nothing of the kiddie-fiddling by priests etc.

    For what it’s worth, I agree in principle with your points regarding Jack’s ‘segregation’ proposal. As with the balkanisation, atomisation and ultimate breakdown of society due to multiculturalism and identity politics, so it goes with the practice and preaching of Christianity.

    I don’t think I’d object to a priest consulting with an ex-convict to understand a point of view, so as to better minister to a errant member of the flock. There would be a point to it – redemption.

    Homosexuality seems to be a different case though – if it’s not a choice, and it can’t be changed, there can be no redemption. I suspect these ‘pray your gay away’ type programmes are born out of a desire to square this circle.

    • Graham

      Homosexual behavior is always a choice. Anyone who says differently is taking agency away from people.

    • TechieDude

      “Perhaps it could be argued that the gay priests led to the paedo priests.”

      The problem isn’t pedophilia, it’s pederasty.

      Gay males have a taste for twinks. The like teen boys. Not children.

      The Church has a gay problem. I’ve had more than one priest tell me that.

      The normal ones don’t like them either.

    • It is a choice and it can be changed. I have written about this before but I don’t have the time right now to go back and find the articles. Homosexuality is a sin of lust and a desire to hold onto youth.

      As regards gays in the priesthood, homosexuals were finally allowed admittance to the priesthood in the early 1960s after intense lobbying from the prog left. They lobbied for the usual reasons that they still use today but the affect was planned and orchestrated. The Catholic Church is the biggest obstacle to the prog left which is why its conversion must be resisted and pushed back upon to the utmost degree.

  2. “How do you reconcile your points with the observable reality that, in the 20th century at least, in Ireland certainly and I suspect elsewhere, becoming a priest was basically what gay men did, in the absence of legal and social acceptance of their homosexuality?”

    Sounds like a consequence of bachelor-shaming rather than anything sodomy-specific. I’ve been told myself that the only two ways to serve God are getting married or becoming a priest, and from Protestants no less.

    In America, gays joined the military instead of the Catholic Church, with the result that our sodomy problems began when unrepentant military homos were dishonorably discharged into major cities in large numbers during the Cold War.

    https://gunnerq.com/2018/04/02/it-was-something-in-the-water/

    “Homosexuality seems to be a different case though – if it’s not a choice, and it can’t be changed, there can be no redemption. I suspect these ‘pray your gay away’ type programmes are born out of a desire to square this circle.”

    In California, such programs were banned partly because they were enjoying success… especially with teen victims of homosexual abuse. Not total success, admittedly, but good progress was being made.

    • I’m compelled to say that the protestants who told you that didn’t know what they are talking about. The protestant position is a priesthood of all believers:

      But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 1 Peter 2:9

  3. ROBERT MARTIN SYKES

    It is pretty obvious that homosexuals/pedophiles constitute a majority of the College of Cardinals and that Antipope Francis is one of them. If the Holy Ghost defends the Church, he must act soon. Otherwise the Catholic Church will go the way of the Boy Scouts.

  4. Moritz Kraemer

    If a priest has to go minister to homos, can’t he just identify as one for the duration of his ministry, and then return to whatever afterwards? Isn’t that the new rule?
    Also, how does a priest’s sexuality factor into anything? They’re celibate, for Christ’s sake

    • purge187

      “Also, how does a priest’s sexuality factor into anything? They’re celibate, for Christ’s sake.”

      I happen to think that the Catholic Church’s mandatory celibacy – a wholly unbiblical concept if ever there was one – may have contributed to the problem. Repressed sexuality has a way of congealing into monstrous things.

      Granted, many of these pedophile priests probably are homosexual, but there’s no doubt in my mind that there wouldn’t have been as many cases of child abuse if these men had been allowed to marry.

  5. Post Alley Crackpot

    What is this thing where a priest has to be the Christian ministerial equivalent of the Red Cross?

    Yes, I understand the principle of helping the sinners, the poor, the broken, and I could cite book and verse on the subject … but I don’t understand what that has to do with going this far.

    I also don’t see why generalist priests have to be concerned now with being specialists in every thing that the people they’re tending to have going on with them.

    I don’t expect my GP to know a lot of things.

    In fact, that’s often a very, very good assumption for my own well-being.

  6. RS

    It’s not like we weren’t warned:

    For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.–Jude 1:4 (KJV)

    and

    Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.–Matthew 7:15 (KJV)

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